Thursday, January 15, 2009

What it is to be human_part 5

Using Nietzsche's will to power theory and part of the selfish theory, it can be said that there is nothing divine(as in magically unselfish) in any human interaction. We give respect to great people who have contributed NOT because respect is more admirable than material wealth, but because we are trying to show that we can give back too. As in, as I have pointed out before, when a rich man gives money to a beggar(here the rich man is showing his power, showing that he is superior to the beggar), and then receives thanks from the beggar(here the beggar is showing that he is superior by giving something back. Also, when a person demands pity, there isn't any divinity in his sadness (as in sadness is not exactly as unexplainable magical as it seems to be), instead, the aforementioned person is showing his superiority by pulling people down to his level, because at least he can still do that in his state.

Respect is equally explainable. We don't respect people who haven't done anything for us. Even if we don't know someone like Einstein, we still can respect him because he has shown that he is superior to us, our natural instinct is to show that we can respect. Either we respect, or we get jealous(which is the more animal-like reaction, and therefore less human reaction).

When we do something great(or just something admirable, depending on the degree of greatness), and not expect something material in return, subconsciously, we expect respect or at least for another human to be in debt to you (again, please remember to ditch any metaphysical ideas when reading this blog) . This is a feature only present in animals, or more accurately, complex animals. And has a lot to do with ego, but more on ego later(next post, I think).

The thing is, ego is only present in animals.

The idea of a creator always states that God is beyond human, meaning beyond animal. This is quite clear, as animals clearly are quite a new thing compared to things like the universe and the fundamental idea of God.

So why would a God need to have an ego? Would a God beyond human emotion and thought be in need of things like respect, worship and human submission? That would be bringing down God to a very human level.

So to worship a God is to insult one with something a human would want.

I can't tell you how to treat a God. If it gives you comfort to think that you are not in control of your destiny, then by all means, worship.

But being human, being able to conquer nature and do things our own way, we must be responsible for our destiny. Think of life as a scrabble game(stupid analogy, I know);

rules - represents things like law and social rules, MUST be learnt to survive

vocabulary - represents things like skills, wisdom, knowledge, up to individuals to learn up

7 letters - represents random chance, beyond human control, could be good, could be bad. Also has much to do with genetics (including genetic memory)

You can see clearly see that one must not simply submit to random chance. The most admirable people are those who have overcome random chance and achieved greatness. The least admirable people are those who have failed in life despite having the advantage of good luck.

With all that out of the way, I don't think there is a real need to worship a God, unless you have bad luck. In that sense, Nietzsche was wrong in saying God is dead. People will always find a need for God, because random chance is sometimes very random.

I'll be back with a more solid post when I get back home. I'm not in my perfect mind when away.

3 comments:

Gabs said...

I read somewhere that it's not God who needs humans but the other way round.

SOmeone else said that perhaps the purpose of worship is to take us out of ourselves, that is, to focus on something other than ourselves. And this was said by an atheist.

Looking forward to the ego,

Gabs

eV said...

I'll look at scrabble sets in a totally new light after this. lol. wonder if those letter and word bonuses count towards the "good luck" (in terms of golden opportunities in life and all)

ok enough bout scrabbles already heh.

I do agree that ego, is "only present in animals"(I would think, when in reference to humans) as it is crystal clear what egoistic people would do to exert a sense of "autocracy" or perhaps a show of "being greater" than someone else (or, heck, everyone else other than himself for that matter) when in general understanding, no man is above the other. (though in reality, it would be otherwise)


however, regarding the ambiguity that you've raised regarding why a God would have need of ego and other human-ly "feelings" (jealousy, etc) as God is "beyond human/animal" and that worshiping a God would be tantamount to "insulting God with something that a human desire", all I've to say is that (from my understanding, and believe, not much of a philosopher here. heh), God does not actually need respect, worship and human submission. I mean, God (to those who believe at least) is already the all-powerful being. Creator. Why would he actually need the attention, submission and respect of the little, minute dusts, that is humans? It would not add more to His power, as it is already limitless. But God really gives us the choice to choose to follow Him, or turn away from him. There wasn't a specific "demand" or "compulsion", of sorts.

But God would prefer, and like it, if His creations actually revered, respected and submit to Him, as He, after all, created everything (again, applicable only to people who believe).

A loose analogy would be, say if you were a scientist who managed to create a new creature. An intelligent one, perhaps. Naturally, you'd like it to respect you, and submit to you, since you are, after all, it's creator. You naturally have that innate want, for that particular being to revere you. And you get really pissed or maybe just upset if it doesn't.

("need" is perhaps applicable in this case to replace "want", since the scientist isn't exactly God, he's still human. But, just trying to get my point across.)


as for the ego part, perhaps when it comes to God, it could be treated in a totally different manner, as God (yet again, applicable to those who believe) DID create everything anyway. and is at the very pinnacle of the creation of the universe. Imagine yourself up in His place. You would no doubt, have what would be generally understood as "ego" as you did, after all, create everything that exists today in a manner of moments. But IMHO, it would be rather abstract and irrelevant to compare the kind of "ego" God has to the wild, animalistic "ego" that we humans have as the "ego" of these 2 beings originate from vastly differing instincts. One from actually making into being everything that exists today. The other from a primal, desperate and never ending desire to constantly appear stronger, greater and more capable than other humans/animals, with the said human having originating from a much more deplorable condition/situation. However, humans can only go so far and achieve so much, compared to what God did and can do. So in a nutshell, I would think that God's "ego" is justified, and cannot be related in any way to the human ego.


apologies if anything here offends, tried my best to state it in as neutral a stance as possible (but, I know it isn't really neutral as I, for one, am a believer in the existence of God and as such, that may influence my judgment) and I hope I have managed to put it in as objective a point of view.


anyway, as always dude, enlightening posts. Puts to perspective the ambiguous, the debatable, and the uncertain. They may or may never be truly understood, but it does put up a clearer picture of certain mysterious, mind boggling issues.




damn, i wrote long enough to make up a post. or 2. =.=




and oops. you were supposed to be doing ego next. my bad. =P

keep it up dude.

Unknown said...

You guys, I'm no good at comment replies because I go into social mode, which is the mode I'm in when I'm my other blog.

Thanks for the comments, guys. I really need this sort of feedback, because it's hard to see through the eyes of a believer and sometimes I disregard religious opinion.

So keep 'em coming! I can't say if I'll reply to them, but I sure as hell will read and respect everyone's opinion.

After all, truth is relative, we're all just picking one that works!